Real Reason Why John Blackthorne Draw A Line In The Sand SHOGUN Episode 10
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Real Reason Why John Blackthorne Draw A Line In The Sand SHOGUN Episode 10. A line in the sand drawn by Blackthorne Episode 9 of Shōgun shows how he feels about the current system and may hint to his destiny in the final episode.
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0:00 intro
00:58 why he did ?
02:28 will he leave?
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I thought it was his message to us viewers about how many episodes is left
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He is a pilot, when you are sailing in the high waves you need to go through them if you want to survive, i think it symbolizes him trying to find a way through the coming storm
This is an excellent interpretation.
Wow, very perceptive!
I also thought he was "drawing a line in the sand" as well as making a cross.
This makes a lot of sense given how the show intro uses the same sand/rock circles to represent waves of the sea!
In the opening lines of the show, Blackthorne has a conversation where his commander says, "You have to draw a line," before taking his own life. The significance of drawing the line is to show the parallel, for the 2nd time, he's lost everyone he was close to and has to embark upon his own path into the unknown.
The actress who plays Mariko is so perfect for her role and is soooooo beautiful. ❤❤
She was born in New Zealand I believe, but she appears to have an American accent in real life.
She's gorgeous and brilliant in this show
Also, unrelated to anything I suppose but I traveled once to Kyoto and was taken to a zen garden like this. I remember my Japanese friend telling me that (at least at this one) it was impossible to see all the placed stones in the garden no matter where you sat. The point of that was that no matter what you can’t know/see everything coming or there is always some unknown.
I just took it as a "fuck your garden."
I also took it as a rebellion against Japan's strict cultural rules, including the notion of ritual suicide. But he still volunteers to be Mariko's second, hence participating in something he doesn't believe in, because of his love for her. So that love/loyalty trumps over his desire to disrupt the values of the country.
I took it as his literal line in the sand moment. Mariko has made her decision and now it was time for him to make his. There are two realities on either side of that line, and while they make look similar, they'd be entirely different futures for him.
think it's all about how out of place John feels in Japan. It's this well designed, carefully maintained culture and he just feels like he sticks out in it. And he does. He just doesn't belong and he knows it.
Him deciding to help Mariko is also about him accepting Japanese culture and making a really huge attempt at integrating himself.
I don't think he was accepting Japanese culture. He did it for her despite hating the practice because he loved her and knew how much it meant for her as a Christian.
Listen to Cosmo Jarvis's voice in this . I haven't seen anyone mention this, it's incredible that he sounds like the great Richard Burton. What a voice.
I took it to mean that he is making a choice.
Does he assist and support Mariko or does he try to stop her?
The former would mean allowing the woman he loves to die, but also means that the Blackthorn that he is now will also die. He will no longer be the English pilot raging against the Catholics, but will become fully assimilated into Japanese culture and loyal vassal to Toranaga.
The later would mean that he will interrupt Mariko’s death, but he will be giving up on having a relationship with her and will revert back to his former self. That is he will go back to being a barbarian.
Wow, that is a lot of meaning behind 1 straight line drawn in the sand. Thanks for the information.
the line is probably something like : the garden is order and the line is a small chaos in the grand view of it all !!
So he resists. He's fallen in love with Japan but he can't fully fit in. He's still going against the flow, and he is disrupting the harmony of the society he's found himself in. So when he takes that deliberate and metaphorical act of rebellion to disrupt the serenity of the garden and go against the grain? It's an immediate visual cue that he's disrupting the harmony of the garden and not fitting in. And likely, too, it helps underscore how futile this act of resistance is. His rebellious disruptions will be raked clean to no end.
It's only afterwards that we see his offer to second Mariko: putting aside his own desires, he's stepping up to support someone else out of loyalty to them, rather than because he wants them to achieve their aims.
Great post, eloquently spoken.
Disrupting the harmony? These people are scheming like snakes and murdering each other right left and centre, or forcing each other to commit suicide.
Harmony? You have a rose tinted view of the society he found himself in.
Makes sense
Disrupting the harmony? These guys are scheming like snakes, chopping each other to bits and forcing each other to commit suicide. There's no harmony to disrupt - just rigid codes of toxic behaviour overlaid with elaborate but empty courtesies.
@@DanBeech-ht7sw You don't understand anything about Japanese people.
Well, I don't think people who rely on God for their ethics would understand this.
The Japanese people have developed this style simply because they have pursued their ethical values.
If we live like humans, there are things more precious than individual lives.
For me, it's like he finally accepts that he cannot change their way of life, even though he tries. The gravel represents ripples in water, and drawing a line across it perhaps signifies his attempt to stop the tide, but it didn't matter. Mariko-sama still welcoming her death, and he can do nothing about it
I believe it was a symbol. He is that line going through the beautifully arranged garden, which represents Japanese culture. He is looking at himself when he looks at that line, then the camera pans out to the center piece of the garden, the rock formation. This represents Mariko I believe. This is when he realized that his small line has little meaning in the garden, since a caretaker can just come and rearrange it easily, while Mariko is a mountain, immovable in her determination and duty, this is when he finally understood who Mariko is, unlike her husband who never did. That's my 2 cents, sorry if I am having trouble articulating what I think.
To kind of add to this, you can see what I mean later, when Mariko didn't have a second. Because blackthorn finally understood her, he accepted her decision to commit seppuku.
I thought it was a reflection of the characters inner turmoil, with so much disturbing him the symmetry of the garden didn't look right.
I took it as more an act born out of frustration for his circumstance. A middle finger to his karma.
Must be awful and horrible to live in those feudal period. Scary like hell😮
And just remember, these guys were samurai. They had it easy. They were rich and had power. Every single samurai was thought of as above and more valuable than any number of regular citizens or peasants. Back in feudal times, most of us would have been peasants.
If you are not samurai，you are citizens or peasants. Samurai are warriors who has ritual and high ranks. It is like viking time,be a viking or a slave.
I can't tell if killing the Gardener was because he first got rid of the rotting bird and then later that was used as an opportunity for him being the spy. Or if he was killed before the bird was removed, just to be setup as the spy, and then later it was said it was because he was the one that removed the bird. Either way it is as genius cover for the real spy.
NO WAY THEY ENDED THAT SHOGUN EPISODE LIKE THAT WTF
It would be proving that Ishido is keeping people hostage inside the palace. That was the whole point of Mariko and the others trying to leave. It looks bad to the Japanese people when a member of the council is holding the others and their family members as hostages. Japan is supposed to be ruled by the regents until the last Taiko’s son is of age to rule. Ishido is basically trying to power grab and be the sole ruler while keeping the front of their still being a council.
You can say he crossed multiple lines(his own beliefs) to get to where he’s at and he’s about to cross more lines ie. be Mariko’s second
It's interesting how different interpretations can arise from the scene. Considering the characters' emotions and psychological states leads to a deeper understanding of the scene's meaning and purpose. And, its interpretation can also vary greatly depending on cultural backgrounds.
I took it as symbolism of futility. The lines were the unbroken streams of fate and the strength of the traditions of this society he's found himself in and blackthorn defiantly attempts to disrupt them, but stares at the mark he made in this instance knowing it makes no difference at all; taking in the imperfections of the "perfect" zen garden and what it symbolizes.
Mariko once advised him to listen to the rocks grow as a way of removing oneself from painful circumstances. He didn’t understand it at the time. However much later in the book, he did experience this. I don’t think k the series shows this but I think that this is where he finally starts to feel like he’s assimilated somewhat into their culture and also into his fate.
*rocks 😉
Thanks, that’s a whole lot of meaning for just one line being drawn. But I guess that is normal for this show.
for me it meant that he will always carve out his own direction in the flow of fate
The movie has been remarkably true to the book....So Blackthorne stays and integrates into Japanese society. His willingness to second Mariko is his accepting his place and the culture....because of his love for Mariko. He will return to Fuji once the battle is complete and that will be the end of the book probably.
The 1980s series was better in many ways
THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope John later marries a japanese woman as beautiful and smart as Mariko was
"••••predictable as goshawks"
He's "drawing a line in the sand" of his own morality. At this point, he decides to embrace Mariko's end. Since he's accepted it, this allows him to offer his services as her second. This is surrender, not defiance.
Tara realising Japan is a spec in a globe of continents drawn in the sand by Blackthorne always amuses me. Bro was shook. Macao? Bro you ain't a threat.
LOL if that's what you thought that meant your not getting it. They dont give a fk about the outside world, he knows where tf Macao is since china is one of their neighbours.
Hes simply surprised the Portuguese have a foothold in China somewhere close to his country. Portuguese were already in Japan
Season 1? What....
SHOGUN is a mini-series, theres no more seasons, the book will be cover on ep 10. The other books of the Asian saga are not directly related to SHOGUN.
Season 5 had Jaime and Bronn go into a commando mission into Dorne where a sand snake told him he wants the bad p***ie. yes, it had some good moments, but it was not the qualiry T.V of seasons 1-4.
I was waiting for the battle in the last 4 episodes..... disappointing
He’s not in line with the system
Tor-ran-negar?
Can someone explain how will Mariko's death help Toranaga's plot?
Her death will rally other lords to his side.
As she was a royal, not permitted to leave alive. She speaks it as last words too
First, we must know that the women in Osaka Castle are the wives and children of feudal lords from all over Japan.Officially they are guests, but in reality they are being presented to Osaka Castle as proof of their obligation not to betray Ishido.Of course, if the feudal lord betrayed him, his wife and children would be lost.
Ishido said that Mariko and other women held captive in the castle are not hostages.In other words, Mariko should have been able to freely return to Toranaga.
If Mariko was able to return to Toranaga, Ishido would have to deal with other women in the same way, not just Mariko, so Ishido would lose his hostage.
Unlike other samurai, Ishido did not rise through the ranks by making a name for himself in battle, so he was not originally a person who could have risen through the ranks without the support of Taiko.Therefore, he is hated by many other daimyo who survived the Sengoku period.Therefore, he wanted to keep the daimyo under his control by using Wife and children of feudal lords from various regions as a hostage. That's why Mariko leaving Osaka Castle is a big blow.This is because if the hostages were gone, there was a high possibility that daimyo across the country would side with Toranaga.
If Mariko were to die, feudal lords across the country would wonder if the safety of the hostages could be guaranteed.If the hostages were going to be killed anyway, there would be no point in siding with Ishido.
That's why Mariko died while blaming Ishido in the end.Mariko's death would signal to those who were present that ``Ishido'' was an untrustworthy coward who would kill hostages, and that fact would become known to feudal lords across the country.
Additionally, the fact that Mariko does not return to Toranaga becomes the reason for Toranaga to declare war on Ishido.Toranaga can widely publicize this fact and win over the feudal lords of the country to his side.That's why Mariko died.
Additionally, Mariko has lived a life of dishonor as the daughter of a rebel.The entire family was sentenced to death, and Mariko, who originally deserved to be sentenced to death, was forced to live a life of dishonor.
However, before she died, she changed her name to ``Akechi Mariko'' instead of ``Todamariko.'' She had found a place to die that befits a daughter of a thousand-year-old samurai family.Her appearance is befitting of a daughter of a loyal samurai family who would risk her life to carry out Toranaga's orders. Flowers are flowers because they fall.
With her death, Toranaga gained many allies, and Mariko was able to restore some of the honor of the Akechi family.Her life was completed not as a descendant of a rebel, but as a life of honor befitting a daughter of a thousand-year-old samurai family, carrying out the orders of her lord at the cost of her life.
@@fukushimaben.sansantakasan thats a true explanation. 👍
The issue about the rotting pheasant was a ploy. They could have resolved it, but the covert Samurai chose the old gardener to take the fall to frame him as the spy after the fact.
"It was in the script", is the real reason. I enjoyed Anjin-San's hissy fit with Toronaga. That really made him look good. That was all in keeping with the woke writing. Girl bosses vs weak men. It was a soap opera set in 1600 with 21st centuries "values".
This show is terrible.
The way I interpreted it, "Fuck this shit."
It's not Sho-Gan
It's Sho-Goon
It’s an ai voice over